>>3238
I've been trying to figure out why this comment upset me and roll it into a ball, so to speak; the fact is that any chimp can post a lot of art on an imageboard, and there are a lot of people here, (Furei, for example) who do post here consistently. If that's the only reason you're bothering to try and help me improve, you should probably be helping him instead. It's downright patronizing to be told, (by a mod who was about to ban you for getting 'lippy', no less) that your work's quantity is its only noteworthy quality. I'd love to be capable of improving at a speed that would impress you, but if everyone who commented on my stuff and tried to offer crit was motivated by a sense of executive responsibility and found nothing enjoyable or noteworthy about it otherwise, that would sour me.

>>3244
I haven't gesso'd a canvas or mixed paint since I graduated, let alone considered applying the elements of colour theory to digital art. I probably should have, considering that I'd noticed pictures with blue shading looked more striking, but it just didn't occur to me. Thank you very much for suggesting it to me, and for the other feedback you've given. I'll have to hunt down some guides to help with the shadow issue- a lot of the time, I just start looking down at my hands or other things in the room to try and figure out what shading should look like, and I'm trying to get away from excessively heavy/muddy shading.

>>3249
>Implying kilo didn't help me

dudette, I draw how I'm drawing today thanks to kilo (and other people who redlined me), and she keeps helping me to improve, since we turned friends, how she helps me nowdays it is not public anymore.

>>3250

I know that Kilo has helped you and that you two are on good terms. You're also another artist who posts here a lot.

Fine. If you want to sit here and wallow on the fact that I was being honest, then you do that. Go ahead and completely ignore what I said as being too mean. Tell me that I was patronizing when you yourself complained about how I wasn't able to take your "humor" that I read as "snarky sarcasm". At least I had the decency to tell you that you had potential unlike the trolls you dealt with before.

I do help Furei and others, but go ahead, tell people I'm picking on you. Any respect I had for you is gone, and now I don't care enough to offer any other help. Go do your own thing. I can only hope you'll end up being as great as I thought you could be.

Also, I like how you act like if I ban you it'd be forever when in fact, for that, it'd be for three days to get you to chill your attitude, but whatever. I'll just be the big bad mod that y'all can vilify because I thought to be honest because honesty is what artists need to hear sometimes.

I'm done with this discussion. Carry on.

>>3250
I can second this. Kilo has helped me as well and used the same tone and honesty as she did with you, yang. I'm sorry you found it to be hurtful and patronizing, but it's meant as anything but that. Kilo is a bro.

I personally like your art and you definitely have some talent going on. However, if you think someone who simply just wants to help you with their honesty and opinion is being demeaning, you limit your potential. Take a deep breath, run it through your head again with a clear mind and then come back. You will hopefully realize that feedback from wellmeaning people and good artists isn't there to patronize you, it's to help you.

If these people didn't want you to improve, they wouldn't have bothered to reply.

This was my 2 cents. I hope I didn't heat the discussion up or beat a dead horse. So now excuse me while I vanish back into the shadows.

>>3252
If I'm genuinely acting like a douchebag, I expect to be banned, but if I get banned by an angry mod with an itchy trigger finger, I'm not going to waste my time by posting here again. Being a mod is all about functioning rationally, even when you feel like punching everyone around you, and not taking things personally. Nowhere have I accused you of bullying me or singling me out; I said that I felt you were being patronizing because of the reason you gave for offering me crit and wanting me to improve, and as it's likely this wasn't your intent, I apologize.


>>3253
As I've said incessantly, I want crit. I want people telling me what I am doing wrong when I post my art here. What upset me about Kilo's response wasn't that she failed to pat my head and call me a special snowflake, it was that she said she wanted me to improve because I post here a lot. Arguably, the internet is a really poor form of communication and people always take things in the worst way possible, (as evidenced by the her reaction to my complaint) but that part stuck in my mind. In retrospect, she was probably trying to be helpful and encouraging, and I'm sorry that I upset her so much by taking her words badly and responding candidly to what I felt was a pretty hollow form of encouragement. Just as nobody is obliged to look at my drawings or offer helpful criticism, I'm not obliged to post them here- I post here because I hope that people enjoy my fanart on some level. If they honestly don't, well, I can't make them, but it seems pointless for them to be wasting their own time trying to encourage me.

Friendly neighborhood admin stepping in for clarification.

>>3254
>implying Kilo isn't rational, takes things to the personal level, and is easy to ban users.

Yang, I disagree with you implicating that Kilo has not acted rationally, takes things to the personal level and has an itchy trigger finger. She has done everything but act in any manner I formerly mentioned. If Kilo really had an itchy trigger finger, you would have found yourself banned long ago and she wouldn't have tried to make you aware of something that could be perceived as snarky, and I would have found myself questioning my decision with appointing her as a moderator.

Perhaps clarification is needed on mod duties. A moderator's job is just that, to moderate the site in a fair and neutral manner without bringing personal biases or heavy emotions to the table. Moderators have to work with sound judgement and state of mind. However, they also can't be afraid to put on their shitkickers and swing the banhammer when justice is called for. The mods take far too much pride in their duties to make unjustly bans. However, if a mistake is made, I myself, can guarantee it will be fixed promptly, and the mod in question rectified.

>>3254

Yang...

The people that talk shit about you on Hipstr aren't on this site anymore and even then, that's on Hipstr. If anybody was doing the same to you here they would have been banned a long time ago.

Kilo's trying to help you out and so is everybody else. I know the stuff people say on Hipstr is harsh but fuck them. That's all the more reason to take the good advice you're given and strive to improve all the time and show them up.

Please understand this because I don't want to ban you okay?

It also takes YEARS for anyone to become a good artist. I'm barely 20 and I consider my art to be pretty standard quality, for the most part. Then again, I'm my harshest critic.

Don't take criticisms personally, my teachers always tell us this during group crits. Last Tuesday a girl ran out of the room crying because our Illustration teacher (infamous for being kind of harsh in the past) didn't like her painting. It's tough to take feedback on something you've worked on over time, because a little bit of you goes into each piece. However this is how the art world works. Art directors will be much, much harsher.

All I'ma say is take constructive criticism with open arms.

>>3229
Not trying to derail anything here, but hot dang Yang. I absolutely love everything about this drawing. Rock on with your rad self, you have great skills and boundless potential.

>>3260
Seconded.
Ducking the shitstorm, by the by... Maybe you guys could be sort-of-bros again? Everyone's got their punch in.

I am astounded by the amount of progressed yang has made in this thread alone. Just.. Keep being awesome.

Not terribly relevant, but for the sake of not cluttering the board with crit and revision stuff, I'm going to be posting my filth in /workshop/ from now on.

yang, are you on tumblr? or can you drop a link for more of your art/ways for people to keep updated on what youre up to?

>>3562

http://yangpuppy.tumblr.com. Or, you know, you can look in /workshop/ and /fanart/ sometime too.

>>3562

As I said above, (and the other anon said below) I post my porn in /workshop/ these days. I figured it didn't make sense to be posting here when I'm still making technical mistakes and having to rework my stuff repeatedly. On the other hand, /workshop/ doesn't get as much traffic and I really enjoyed getting crit and feedback from other people, so maybe I should just start posting here again and subject people to filtering through to see the porn. Heh.

>>3568

You just keep on posting lovely. Here, workshop, I don't even care. You can always straighten it up and post it to your y-gallery or something later.

Putting this here for New Year's festivities and because people actually check this board. Someone on dumblr wasn't sure if the thing in his butt was a dildo or a noisemaker. It's a dildo- if it were a noisemaker, I would have had to include some sort of fart joke in the picture, which would have made it less classy.

>>3575

I'm trying to get better at pacing myself and holding back on a piece if I don't feel 100% about it, but I still find myself missing things and only noticing them later.

>>3608
His torso is too short, his arms are also too short (because the torso is not long enough), his head is too big, his left leg is too curved (tibia and fibula don't curve that much, the fingers on his left hand are way too short

my suggestion: study proportions

also, my critique from >>2434 could still be of use to you if you feel like taking a look at it

>>3610

I went back and touched this up, as per suggestion. I still have some trouble with torso length, (especially when drawing poses like this where the character's back is curved) and check photos extensively when trying to gauge proportions in a drawing, but I am loathe to restrict myself to only draw poses that I can copy from a photograph and would rather keep drawing from imagination, even if I'm not 100% on my proportions. This is why I continue to post in /workshop/, even with its low traffic; despite your opinions about my art, I listen to the criticism I'm given, learn from it, and I'm very thankful for it, especially as the vast majority of people offering me crit do so because they enjoy my drawings and want to see me improve.

>>3618
Using reference isn't about copying, it's using it as help.

>>3620

As I said, I use photos as reference, I just don't like the idea of copying a pose entirely from a photo for a picture that I'm going to be gussying up, colouring and posting on a website; it's not a matter of feeling unoriginal about my pictures so much as needing to know where the photo I used for reference came from and being able to provide a URL. While I can find plenty of porn on a site like Tumblr, these sites rarely link to the original posting of the image on whichever site it came from.

Way better, this is really good!

Sick of mussing with this one, and if I've made any more hideous mistakes on it I just don't give a darn.

>>3692

PARDON ME WHILE I CLIMB THIS SEXY MOUNTAIN HERE.

I did a little fixing up on this one after posting it in /workshop/. I'm still drawing porn, honest, I just usually stick it there since I hate cluttering this board with my mistakes.

I feel pretty okay about this one. Thanks to Dotchan for never being afraid to tell me that my man-tits look weird. The ones in my pictures, I mean- I'm not a man, which is half the problem for me when it comes to imagining the nipple placement on the male chest.

>>3720 Yang, I love you very much, and I enjoy all of your art, but I'd like to point out that, that is not a penis. That is a club, and I am afraid for that Scout.

reminds me allot like the pearl necklace song

I'm sorry, I'm confused.

>>3763

Meh, Scout's on top so it's cool.

This is borderline porn, so I figured I'd put it here because of boners.

Old man porn.

>>3823

I love the absurdity of Soldier wearing his nekomimi on his helmet, and his attempt to look dignified while dressed as a catgirl.

(And mm, Playboy Bunny Demoman.)

I let the lines on this be a bit thicker than I have been in this, and I kind of like it more. I sort of felt like the last Heavy/Medic picture I did lacked 'character'.

>>3837
Solly is funniest when he seems to totally unconcerned with how improper or ridiculous the situation he's gotten himself into is. Also, chocolate bunny. *eyebrow waggle*

>>3835
I love drawing Medic with a bit of an old-man paunch, because it's cute.

>>3855

Dear god. This.

I also happened to be listening to this song when I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MicSN79Z1xI
no one listens to crappy hardstyle remixes but me

....it's a long story.

I don't know why but having some kind of clothing still on makes a scene a million times sexier for me.

Yang, I'm gonna upfront and say I used to not like your work. Honestly, your earlier issues with anatomy made it hard for me to enjoy pieces that were otherwise very good.

But this one. This is the first one where I looked at it and feel "Yeah, this looks right. I like this."

You've come a really long way and your effort shows. Keep at it. The improvement is there and I can see it. I'm not an artist by any stretch, but I can respect the crap out of an artist who takes the time to sharpen their craft.

Flaccid Heavy dick.

>>3890
I like porn with half-clothed figures the most too, as it helps to 'break up' a figure's body and make it more visually interesting. It also gives a nice spontaneous vibe to a scene.

>>3912
I've never considered myself a great artist by any stretch of the imagination, so trying to improve my skill and understanding of the human body has been one of the motivating factors behind all this porn I've churned out. Some of the art I did only a few months ago is painful for me to look at now and I can identify the mistakes I was making when I drew it, so I really feel like I have been improving; it's a good feeling, and I don't regret drawing bad porn because I wouldn't be improving if I hadn't started out making all those mistakes.

A lot of people have told me that I've improved, and the two who accused me of being "terrible" and ignoring all the feedback I've gotten were both biased, so I'm starting to feel okay about my stuff. I still want to get even better, of course!

What's perspective? *sob*

>>3925
Oh. Suspenders. Medic-sex-slave. So hot.

I can't comment on the perspective because I'm balls at that too, but I just want to tell you the atmosphere you created here with the colors is GORGEOUS. And medics expression? Mmm mm good. Only thing I would want to critique would maybe be Medic's shoulders? It just seems from the position of his left (our right?) arm, he should be leaning precariously. And the colors of his shirt kind of blend into the penis. Perhaps you can darken his left(our right?) arm as it goes downward, that might help with that.

Other than that, it's pretty awesome! The way you shaded heavy's body to give him actual FORM is pretty rad. Keep up the good work.

More drunken, yiddish-singing Medic. The song's title translates to, "you are beautiful to me".

>>3933
Everyone loves the suspenders. The 'story' for this one was that RED Medic has been kidnapped by the 'evil team' to be their mewling sex slave, but after a week of enduring his relentless sexual appetite they're forced to send him back. I am so clever.

>>3934
I did a little jimmying with the light and shadow on his left arm, and I think it flows better now- I didn't bother posting it here again as it was not a huge edit, but it's on my dumblr. (yangpuppy.tumblr.com) As always, I really appreciate constructive criticism.

>>3936

I simply adore Medic's face and positioning in this one!

>>3936
Yes, Medic's face is simply gorgeous. Love it.

Sniper is unimpressed. And kind of scrunchy.

>>3938
>>3939
Hehehe... thanks! I'm slowly letting myself worry less about strictly matching the model head proportions, and I like where it's taking me.

>>3950
Whoa, that's a rare pairing. Oh, Sniper. He looks exactly like in the game. I always see him as a gloomy, unsatisfied person (especially when Spies backstab him or something). And I adore Demo. Perfect.

>>3950

This picture is perfect.

Oh my god. I haven't been to this chan in a many months. Hot damn, you've improved drastically. Not only in anatomy and creativity with poses and such, but also with coloring.

It's so good to see someone improving when a lot of fanartists stay very stagnant. It's clear at this point that you are very talented, especially to improve so much over what is honestly a short amount of time.

It's inspiring to see someone try so hard and improve so much.

I admire you.