Ive been working on another drawing in this line. And if this stuff isnt just creeping the lot of you out I would appreciate some tips on things I could improve on. I know there is alot.

Honestly the main thing that stands out to me is how enormous the silhouette Medic's head and neck seem to be compared to his body. I personally think Engie's face is pretty good, it's Medic that needs the most work imo

Thank you for your input! Medic does need some surgery there, I just seem to have trouble getting the shape of his head too. (Thats one reason I went ahead and made a silhouette). Thank you for replying, I've been rather nervous about how this idea in general will be received. Don't want to bombard everyone with pictures if it's just unliked.

Included Medic here to get some practice with him. Glasses need to be a top priority to practice with him I think.
Medic keeps a close eye on his experiments health. Poor Engiecow, that thermometer isn't going towards his head.

You're welcome :D It's not quite my fetish but I'm certainly not squicked out by it. Something else I just thought of for the first image is, as far as the leash goes, if you draw in a program that supports layers a way you might be able to keep the thickness uniform is by drawing one line for the leash that you like, duplicating it, and moving it. For straight-up side view stuff like this I think that could work, and especially with something tubular, like cord. (Also looking at it a third time, I notice that the milk(?) has its own shadow. Darker shadows in lighter shadows are totes possible http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4548850485_c11bb6201d_m.jpg , but unless Engie himself is transparent I don't quite know how it would work. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3JKR_KpM0XU/hqdefault.jpg <-- Hand shadow puppets are a good example of things that have a lot of 3D depth but are flat as shadows )

You're welcome :D It's not quite my fetish but I'm certainly not squicked out by it. Something else I just thought of for the first image is, as far as the leash goes, if you draw in a program that supports layers a way you might be able to keep the thickness uniform is by drawing one line for the leash that you like, duplicating it, and moving it. For straight-up side view stuff like this I think that could work, and especially with something tubular, like cord. (Also looking at it a third time, I notice that the milk(?) has its own shadow. Darker shadows in lighter shadows are totes possible http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4005/4548850485_c11bb6201d_m.jpg , but unless Engie himself is transparent I don't quite know how it would work. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3JKR_KpM0XU/hqdefault.jpg <-- Hand shadow puppets are a good example of things that have a lot of 3D depth but are flat as shadows )

Oops doublepost. Also, a sneaky thing you can do to get reference pictures (provided you don't have SFM) is go to the Mann Co. Store, pick whatever item to preview on whatever class, and click the fullscreen arrows. YMMV with monitor size and whatnot, but it's a bigger rotatable model than the one on the wiki, which is always nice.

... What exactly am I looking at, here?

Basically crazy Medic capturing an Engineer and doing weird experiments on him. Keeping him as a pet. And a person whose new at allowing themselves to enjoy/ even think about stuff of this nature and nervous as hell.

Thank you RMD. Been playing around with layers today, kinda tricky. I had just figured out how to use the mix feature too! Maybe I can finally learn how to mix different flesh colors.

This one didn't come out too bad I don't think. It's fun trying new positions and getting the anatomy to look decent. Like fitting a puzzle together.

>>5882

Noprobs Hosscatt! Hehe, yeah, the main thing that will catch you with layers is accidentally drawing on the wrong one, or losing track of which part of your draw is on what layer. Out of curiosity, what program are you using?

I'm using Corel painter essentials 4.

>>5871
I'm going to be completely honest with you here, because I know for a fact that people will sugarcoat their opinions about this stuff.

These drawings are dreadful. How old are you and how long have you been drawing?

Hmmm, about 3 months. And I dont see how age correlates to artistic ability. If you must know I am 24. I would take you alot more seriously if you offered advice or pointed out what was wrong. But knowing the inane drivel that often gets spouted about on the internet I will just let it go. Thank you for taking the time to notice what I have been doing though. I shall continue to practice.

>>5889

Oh hey! That program came with my tablet when I bought it an age and a half ago. I'm a Paint.NET/Firealpaca/Sai person myself. I use Photoshop here and there but it's not my main (anymore).

Hey so Hosscatt speaking of which, how did this all work? You getting into NSFW stuff made you want to draw?

>>5897

>three months

That is nowhere near enough time to learn how to make erotic artwork. Have you taken any life drawing classes? Any kind of formal art training at all?

Sorry about that. Need to learn to take criticism better. I apologize. I'm trying to delete this thread for now but it's not working.

>>5904

Aw Hosscatt though! If you do end up deleting it don't disappear though, I don't want to be the only active person on the afanart board aha

Definitely do keep practicing! Practice makes better and all that. If you've ever heard of Posemaniacs it's a pretty aight site, good for muscle groups and all that.

(Just pretend the penis head is pinker I forgot that bit cause I wanted to get this up before the thread disappeared if it does)

Yo Hosscatt also I heard a thing today that apparently some colleges have walk-in life drawing sessions, where you just pay a flat fee and you can participate. Just a protip and another thing to look for in case you can't commit to a full blown class.

>>5897
Here's what is wrong:
-Perspective
-Proportions
-Composition
-Consistency
-Linework
-Lighting

And personally, I think the entire fetish is foul and there's something wrong with you.

Age does in fact correlate to artistic ability. I can tell since you're 24 that you haven't been drawing for an extensive amount of time, and if you have, you haven't been serious about it.

Here's a tip if you want to improve: LOOMIS.

And here's a tip if for you personally: Psychiatrist.

mfw people don't understand how long it takes to be sub-par at drawing

>>5964
A non-con/dub-con fetish does not an IRL rapist make. It's possible for a healthy person to separate fiction and reality.

Also, be nice. Not everyone starts drawing from birth. It's okay to pick it up later in life.

>>5964
Yo anon, what even is a LOOMIS? The internet is inconclusive.

Also yeah for real, what makes you think that Hosscatt doesn't know how long it takes to "git gud," as it goes?

>>5965
>It's okay to pick it up later in life

You're darn tootin', anon #2!

>>5965
Yeah I don't believe you, if some guy draws a picture of the 7 year old boy next door and masturbates to the picture, he still need's psychiatric supervision.

I didn't say it was wrong to pick it up later on in life, I corrected him when he said "I don't see how age correlates to artistic ability" it's that sort of reasoning as to why he won't improve. Art takes years to become just okay at (I'm sure you understand this, forgive me)

>>5966
Use google fagget, or take a trip to /ic/ your kind are flooding the place currently, you'll fit right it.

Again
>"I don't see how age correlates to artistic ability"

He's been drawing for "about 3 months" at the age of 24 and he's posting his shit already? If he had the brains he would at least spend a year practicing and then post. But it SEEM'S he lacks the self criticism to objectively look at his work and say "This is embarrassing, I better work a little more."

This work and RMD's is a special kind of insult to serious artists. Sorry, but it's true.

>>5966
I'm assuming by LOOMIS they mean Andrew Loomis, who did a series of instructional books on figure drawing. The one I'm most familiar with is "Figure Drawing For All It's Worth", which covers proportion, perspective, movement, and just about everything you need to realistically draw people. You can find a free pdf of it online.

>>5897
Hosscatt, if you're genuinely serious about drawing and wanting critique, let me give you some advice. Your biggest problem seems to be proportions, especially the size of the head in relation to the body and limbs. I would suggest looking up the Loomis figure drawing stuff or at least basic human proportions and practice getting that right. You should do that before anything else.If you want to draw erotica, porn stills make for pretty good reference at least for the poses and different angles, though you don't want to use that as a crutch. While you practice proportion, you should also keep in mind that the characters in TF2 are pretty wonky and it's easy to make their faces or bodies look off. There are references for all the characters somewhere in /resources/ if you look.

I can't tell you much besides look at references and keep practicing. I don't really do digital art so you're gonna have to look to other places for help with that.

>>5967
The two are not the same, or in any way related.

Drawing porn of a real person without their consent, even if it's vanilla, is super creepy. But this isn't of a real person, and this isn't CP. Nobody in Hosscatt's drawings are underaged. They're separate issues.

Also, Hosscatt is utilizing an option I wish I'd had years ago. If I had had a scanner back when I started drawing, you'd damn better believe I'd be uploading my shitty drawings to the internet. I wouldn't have fallen into any of the anatomy or posing traps I fell into in the past. My art would be ten times better as a result.

>>5967
Googling "Loomis" turns up a bunch of things not even remotely art related, tho. Avian, thank you for being helpful in that regard!

>posting his shit already
Well yeah! I'm sorry you've never been excited enough about anything you've made to want to post it right away. It's great to feel good about your own work.

Personally, I'm sorry you don't see me as a serious artist! But I guess that's just how it's going to be. :7

>>5968
Thank you again! I'll be sure to check it out.

>>5969
Drawing people without consent is creepy, but drawing a man being mutilated by a mad scientist isn't an indication of insanity. Keep coming up with excuses, if you masturbate to shit like this, you need help.

>>5970
I just googled "loomis art". And I got the desired results.

Yeah I've been excited about my artwork, I just ask the question "Is this good enough to show people?" before I show others.

Alright, while the critiquing (though pointed) is acceptable, the constant insulting of people for having fetishes is not. Especially the false equating. Cut that out.

If you want to critique to help Hosscatt or anyone else improve their artistic ability, feel free to, considering that that's one of the major points of the fanart boards. Just keep the vitriol to /offtopic/ or elsewhere.

>>5970

>Personally, I'm sorry you don't see me as a serious artist! But I guess that's just how it's going to be. :7

Don't use emotes like that. Come on now.

Also, I don't see you as a serious artist. I don't think most users on this board do. Your art is nowhere near the level of skill required to be a "serious" artist. A "serious" artist would have started with some kind of training, whether formal or informal. They'd be working on art as a future career with the goal of possibly supporting themselves through their artwork.

Also the bizarre fetish stuff doesn't help but you can jack off to whatever you want, more power to you.

>>5997
I see anyone willing to draw on a regular basis and/or willing to take critique as a serious artist. Nobody started off fantastic, and nobody gets fantastic by being shamed into stopping.

>>5997

Sorry Cat, sometimes they slip out aha.

I have gone through (/am going through) training. It hasn't shown up a lot in my work here so far because I started out just posting doodles, so I totally seem to have given a lot of people a less than great first impression of myself.

I think it would be awesome to be able to support myself through my artwork, but I've definitely been wrestling with doubts about it, so I can see why I'm not "serious" by your definitions.

Thanks for the power, I guess! For the vast majority of things, it's not that I'm into it so much as I don't mind critiquing it. Hosscatt's forced petplay stuff is the perfect example of this, actually. I can't get into it, but I'm totally down to offer pointers where I can.

Wow. I'm surprised to still see this going. I have definitely improved, and still have a long way to go, and while I cringe at what I drew before now I still see it as an important step and it helped a lot to find people to tell you it's ok to not start out great and to collaborate on. So keep at.

(I'm terribly disappointed at how aggressive some of you people are towards starting artists and am remembering why I haven't checked on this site for a long time. Don't you dare wonder why pretty much everyone who used to frequent this site left with all this aggressive bullshit. Any site is bound to die and better off that way when the last few people left only do pissing contests of who can be the biggest asshole to new members.

Also, big thumbs up to RMD for being the only decent person in this thread and showing some support to a starting artist!)

So! Hosscat! Sorry I'm months late joining the ball, but I'm going to go ahead and point out some things I've noticed and hopefully you will see this.

Yes art takes a lot of patience and work and most people start early, but I have friends who picked up drawing past their mid twenties so you're not the only one in this regard and it certainly doesn't mean you won't learn, improve and kick ass. Age doesn't make good art; dedication and practice do.

Also, if you had only been drawing for three months when you first posted these, that's actually pretty impressive considering how most people start off copying Inuyasha images for the first couple years before they even try doing their own thing and still strongly rely on that as a crutch for a while. You need practice, yes, but I can easily tell what is what in your pictures which is not always the case with beginners.

You anatomy needs work but it's identifiable, which is a very good start. Don't be afraid of looking up references, seek them out! If you can afford it go to live model classes or organise drawing sessions with friends!
You're learning anatomy so these will all be a tremendous help for getting proportions right, knowing how what works and what goes where, and it can help with figuring out some fore shortenings.

Your perspective needs work as well, but perspective is a fickle bitch so it's normal if you're struggling with it. I've been drawing for over 14 years and still have moments where they make me consider throwing my tablet out the window. If you want pointers to help you with that I can show you to a fantastic tutorial.

If you're seeing this and want to talk more or want pointers, click my name and send me an email any time.

>>6152
I-I was helping, too...

>>6153
There were two anons; you being nice & logical and the other being a complete asswipe and I wasn't sure how to address you, sorry! I'll call you Nice Anon from here on.

You did have a very good point here;
>>5969

Most people who have access to a scanner or camera early on will put up their stuff I can guarantee it. It's the best way to get feedback and critique and you'll always be happy of at least some of you create whatever your skill level may be. Good artists are the crappy ones who never gave up and it's obvious whatever you first do is going to need work and have lots of errors!

I have my share of old art that was put up when I was a teen with a camera/scanner and boy was I proud of it back then while today I could weep from how horrible it is because I've improved since then, and a thing that helped a lot over the years was critique I got from being able to put it up.

>>6152
boo hoo quit crying faggot

>>6200
We don't talk to people like that here. Kindly get out.

>>6201

>been here since 2009
>place is fucking dead and I only really come in to delete Russian CP
>troll makes half-hearted attempt to stir shit in a thread that has turned into people being defensive over receiving honest critique over poorly rendered, bizarre fetish art
>somebody takes the bait and tells them to leave because we "don't talk like that here"
>this site used to use "-fag" as a suffix and had wordfilters like "cumdumpster" and "niggerkilt" because the oldfags all came from /v/
>board died because everybody moved to Tumblr to hugbox themselves into being fucking weenies and the remaining fandom that hasn't jumped over to Overwatch is mostly cancer
>mfw

>>6203
It's a damn shame indeed. Fine work with the spam deletions though, things have been looking better for the past while.

Also surprising that people keep resurrecting this thread occasionally. I suggest anyone else that wants to comment to do so somewhere else that it would be more useful, given that it's been nearly a year since Hosscatt last posted here.

>>6203
remember when kob used to post porn
those were the days