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12015 No. 12015
Been hearing an argument that there's never been such thing as teamwork in TF2, and that absolutely no one who's ever done anything for charity involving the game (ie. buying the Japan disaster relief hats) gives a flying shit about it, they only want hats and attention.

I think there's definitely some selfish people in any gaming community, but I don't think we'd ever see Buff Banners, Teleporters, Dispensers, Medics, Sandvich-throwing, people saying "thanks" over command or chat, or people becoming friends over the game if everyone was truely that selfish. Thoughts?
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>> No. 12016
"Thanks" is probably my most used command, after "Cheers"
A lot of people haven't committed to memory the vocal commands, and as far as trade etiquette is concerned I think the issue is that a lot of the trading community is shared with the Counter Strike community- a group of people renowned for being rude and difficult to deal with.

The TF2 community is actually a fairly good community given its massive size. I credit the art direction steering away the problem people for the most part.

Everything else I want to say is due to people not fully understanding the mechanics of thrown sandviches/buff banner/battalion's backup/concheror.
>> No. 12017
As a pubber and someone who has made a couple of fantastic friends through the game, I can say that yes... a lot of pubbers can be selfish, unfortunately. Teams that rarely work together because everyone thinks the game is COD and run off on their own, then whine when the team loses. Or people who refuse to switch classes based on what the team actually needs at the moment.

That said, it warms my heart when players do work together, whether they use voice-chat or not. Sure it helps, but if for whatever reason they can't use their mic, a team player will find workarounds and use them to communicate.

Personally, I don't think the game is fun at all when off on my own, and I like to make people smile or at least save them from raging or griping. Suiciding as an engie to drop my toolbox and give my engiebro an extra 200 metal, getting the medic to flee with the intel while I hold off the enemy, telling people to hang back so I can heal them all up... I like the kind of teamwork that warms the heart.

And my friends do it too, so no - not all of us are selfish!
>> No. 12018
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I agree that you'll see many rude and obnoxious gamers out there, selfish as well, but TF2 has some of the brightest pockets of generosity in it, a good example being the Golden Wrench deletions, where a good portion of the Golden Wrench owners deleted their wrenches for charity awareness, Child's Play I believe, and also helped raise money for it.

As for the Thanks command, that, along with Go Go Go! and Spy are the only commands I can hit without checking what I'm pressing.

In short, you don't have to go far to find hugs and sunshine in TF2 if ye ask me.
>> No. 12019
>>12018
That carebear image made me smile for completely unrelated reasons.

As for saying thanks, it and 'Spy!' are the only commands I can do without looking. Everything else, I'm like 'Uhhhhh 8! 8! That's it.'
But pubbies can be selfish, yeah, and if they're being selfish, honestly I'll be selfish back, depending on the class. I do my best to be a team player as Engie, but if nobody's supporting me, helping me move my sentry up to the front lines and such, then I usually get frustrated and switch classes.
Pyro I'm pretty much a lone wolf usually. On certain maps I'll go Pybro for an Engie, and I'll always give my flaming teammates an airblast puff, but otherwise I usually roam alone.
>> No. 12020
>>12016
I can't speak much for trading, as I don't do it often, but I've memorized "Thanks" and "Help", at the very least. I knew it took me awhile to get used to throwing Sandviches and air-blasting, but once I picked up on those, I used them on a regular basis. Battalion's Backup, too. I originally equipped it because I wanted the Black Box set bonus, then realized I could help my teammates with it. Haven't really taken it off since then, except to experiment with the Buff Banner/Concheror.

I try to help people whenever I can, because I don't think winning's possible otherwise. That's why my headcanon's always been that the team in-canon at least tolerates each other. Dying sucks in an FPS, but I think physical bullet holes would motivate me to work even closer with my team.
>> No. 12025
Seen many heavies sharing their lunch with me, or engies building spencer as they saw i had low health. Theres many kind of people out there, and i think i've been enough lucky to meet that kind of people
>> No. 12039
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i always go in to a game of TF2 looking to have fun, and for me having fun means being a credit to team and helping people succeed. medic is my most played class; i always airblast or throw piss on burning teammates; i throw my sandvich for hurting teammates or my medic; and i always use the Thanks command when a medic so much as tops me off. if a medic is healing me and i do something stupid to screw up an uber or anything like that, i will apologize in chat, or if i'm the medic and i screw up my timing i'll apologize.

the unfortunate thing is that no matter how polite one person is, or how helpful one person is, the game IS TEAM fortress 2, and as much as one person can try, it's very unlikely you can make that much of a dent in the success of your team if nobody cooperates. in these situations i usually just say fuck it and switch to something stupid and unhelpful that i feel like i'll still have fun with, like sniper, because in the end it is a game and if you are playing it and not having fun you're missing the point. that's how i see it at least.

in general, though, i think there are a lot of good, polite, helpful players in the game, and for the most part they stand out more than the bad or unhelpful ones. even just today i had a moment that really made me appreciate these kinds of people. it was small, but i'd saved a medic from someone and i was hurt. he instantly started healing me and we both said 'thanks' to each other at the same time. it warmed the cockles of my heart, and it's little moments like this that really make me appreciate the game more and more.
>> No. 12227
>>12015
One of the main things you have to understand is that sense the game went F2P, there's been a consistent influx of 12 year COD players who don't fully comprehend the concept of team work. To them it's just "Kill Or Be Killed"

I always play as Pyro and Engie, who's secondary functions are to service and assist fellow commrades through Dispensers and Airblasts

They have quite possibly sucked all the fun out of the game to the point where I really don't get any sort of enjoyment out of it anymore
>> No. 12228
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>>12016 I think you're onto something with the art direction. It seems like you can always tell a douchebag game by the "hard-core," "edgy" aesthetics.

>>12015 I've never really had a problem with selfish TF2 players. I mean, I see them around. I know they're there. But I also make sure that I see a lot of brothers and lovers. I invite friends to play with me whenever I can, and when I can't, I go to servers that tend to be full of people I'd like to be friends with. And, you know, the fact that I usually play Medic or Support!Pyro doesn't hurt. If you're constantly helping people and relying on them to do their part, you find out pretty quickly where all the cool people are, and they're going to notice you as well. Then it's just a matter of remembering each other. There are enough wonderful people out there that I don't have to bother with people who are selfish, mean, uptight, or otherwise unpleasant to deal with.
>> No. 12234
Been hearing an argument that there's never been such thing as teamwork in TF2, and that absolutely no one who's ever done anything for charity involving the game (ie. buying the Japan disaster relief hats) gives a flying shit about it, they only want hats and attention.

"To a selfish man, every man is selfish."

That is to say, I call bullshit.

I'm one of the people who started playing the game when it went free. And guess what? Even before I learned to play the game properly, back when I still utterly sucked and was nothing but a dead weight for my team, everybody was still nice to me.

I openly admitted that I was a rookie, and apologized for being unable to help, or even for making things worse (for example, I had yet to learn that burning Medics ALWAYS have dibs on medkits), and asked the other players for tips.

Each and every one of them was kind and polite to me, saying that it didn't really matter if I messed up because it was just a game so I should cheer up, and gave me useful advice that helped me a lot. One person even gave me a weapon as a good luck gift.

And before anybody says "LOL it's because they are all virgins who are desperate to impress a girl!", I always play with a gender-neutral nickname and without a mic, they had no way of knowing I was a woman.

Have I also met some douchebags since then? Of course. In the many months since I got the game, I've been playing and trading for hundreds of hours, meeting countless different people. It was statistically impossible for all of them to be nice. But, in my experience, the majority of TF2 players are friendly and patient. It's NOTHING like Call Of Duty, the attitude is completely different.

Sure, a lot of the time the players act as if it were a single-player game, with very little unit cohesion. But I find that usually it's not really selfishness, it's just ignorance. For example, many Pyro players simply don't know that they can extinguish fellow players.

The tutorials are rather shallow, and a lot of things are never explained in-game (for example, one of Spy's main techniques, the stab-and-sap maneuver, is never even mentioned in-game, I only learned of it because I went out of my way to check several different strategy guides. We are not talking about an obscure trick here, we are talking about a technique that is pretty damn necessary for taking out sentries, which is one of Spy's most important objectives). It's not really the players' fault if they have no clue how to act like a choesive unit.

Tl;Dr: The TF2 Fandom is cool.
>> No. 12235
>>12234 I think a lot of people bitching about rampant "selfishness" have a teamwork problem of their own: the inability to help people help them. Half of them don't do their part of the cooperation--running off on their own or ignoring the needs of their partners, then bitching because nobody goes out of their way to help them. The other half are just too judgemental. It would be nice if instead of writing people off as "selfish," and then bitching about it on their dumblrs, they'd take the time to teach people how teamwork on TF2 works. I don't know how many times, over the course of a round or two, I've magically transformed these so-called "selfish" players into fantastic Engineer! and Medic!Buddies just by letting them know how what they can do to help me--and gotten a lot soberingly heartfelt gratitude not just from the teammates, but from the 'selfish' players in question, who, as it turns out, <I>loved</i> to play as a part as a team, once they knew how.
>> No. 12237
I'm going to state an unpopular opinion here: I think it's (the majority, but not entirety of) the fanbase, not Call of Duty itself, that is stupid. A franchise that's had Gary Oldman and Keith David voice-acting, and an alternate mode where you kill Nazi zombies...sounds tempting on its own.

I think it depends on where you play. I've been a pubber so far, and even depending on when, not where I play, people are either really nice and helpful and cooperative, or immature jerks who argue over inane, petty things and are sore losers. TF2 has been overwhelmingly nice, or at least neutral, though.
>> No. 12556
I think you have to look for the good people nowadays. Certain types of servers attract certain types of people, and if someone you like is on a server, friend them and join up with them when they are playing--that's often how I find good people to have fun with. The game is about teamwork--it's a major part of any strategy for TF2.

Personally, I love to extinguish people when I play as a Pyro, and every time someone thanks me for putting them out or building a dispenser of helping them upgrade their sentry, I get a warm feeling in my stomach. (Boy that's gay.) Admittedly, I dislike playing Medic, because I either feel horribly guilty for not being able to get to people before they die or I get frustrated with the thankless job, but I try to treat any Medic that's kind enough to heal me fairly (ex. not yelling at them if they screw up, thanking them when they heal me, protecting them to the best of my ability, etc.). In fact, the only time I get annoyed with a Medic is if they pocket and refuse to heal anyone else.

Another thing I also love to do is turn my team around. If we're losing badly, I will do my best to support everyone, and every once in a while, it encourages people to support one another, and a once-shit team becomes an opposing force for the people who were curb-stomping us earlier. Losing doesn't make me mad--but losing because our team just doesn't care bothers me. That's why I become angry when people trash-talk their own team. If you're making people on your own team feel bad, how can you ever expect to win?

Also, I don't want to get called out as a femanazi here, but I think another plus to the TF2 community is how well they treat girl players. No one tells you that they're going to rape you or to shut the fuck up unless you're being annoying. (This doesn't even apply to selfishness but whatever.)

tl;dr - I don't think TF2 people are selfish, per-say. It varies from person to person, I think.
>> No. 12557
>>12556
It's pretty damn sad that "nobody tells girls that they are going to rape them (unless the girls are being annoying)" in multi-player games counts as "treating girls very well." Talk about low standards. And gamers wonder why the gaming community has a bad reputation...

But yeah, I agree with the point in general, TF2 players tend to be infinitely less sexist than CoD players. Also infinitely less racists, and somewhat less homophobic.

Maybe it's because the cartoonish aesthetics keep macho-obsessed assholes away ('cause, y'know, cartoons are gay!). Or maybe it's because Valve actively encourages players to report abuse, and makes it very simple to do so.
>> No. 12558
>>12556
>>12557

D-Do you people play on magical servers or something?

Seriously, I am highly anxious when I first join a server because I like to be vocal on voice-chat for team-related purposes.. but the amount of insults, jokes at my expense, and sexual harassment I receive as soon as I pipe up over chat is insane. There are the occasional racist and homophobic jokes, but they pale in comparison to the colourful statements directed at me.

Or maybe it's just the local Australian servers that are like this...
>> No. 12559
>>12558
I'm honestly very surprised to hear that. I've been playing for a year now, and I've never personally witnessed any harrassment of female players in TF2. The worst thing I've ever seen is the sort of "benign" sexism where male players go all "OMG a girl gamer! Precious unicorn! Let me pamper you!" which is annoying but not hostile.

I'm very sorry that you were harrassed :(

Do you play on many different servers, or do you tend to stick to the same ones? Maybe you just got incredibly unlucky and ended up in shitty servers.
>> No. 12567
>>12559
Same here. The community I play in is pretty good about not doing that except for maybe going "dohoho guurl" for a few seconds.

>>12558
Do you play on valve servers? Strange if you do, the valve ones here in amerikkaland hardly anyone talks at all.
>> No. 12568
>>12567
...ttthat being said I guess a female voice over the mic would probably stir up the 14 year olds that undoubtably play on those servers.

Also online gaming is just like the internet at large: Not only does it bring out the worst in ordinary people but it also attracts people who are just flat out complete assholes who get nothing from real life at all, people who don't play well with others trying to play with others anyway.
Finding good people to play with might take a while but you'll get there. Shame the mantrain is so inactive or we could just point everyone having a hard time there. Then again in australia your ping there might be kind of horrible. :(
>> No. 12569
I have female friends who play tf2 and the worse they say is being told to shut up because they sound like 12 year old boys over the mic. >>12558
>> No. 12571
>>12568
I dunno. I was playing there the other night, and my ping was like, ten. And I'm in Atlantic Canada. I don't know where the server's located, but I doubt it's in my basment, which most servers usually have to be for me to have any ping below 80.
>> No. 12616
well, there are the rafflers and the fanartists and the people that run servers and the people making youtube video tutorials that seem swell and generous. There are a lot of assholes, scalpers, and selfish babies too of course.
>> No. 12657
I can't honestly say I've ever mentioned I'm female in-game, or any of my friends who knew really alluded to it. Partially because I don't want to entice any sexist assholes, and partially because I don't think random people I'm playing with need to know any personal information about me.

People can be really abrasive and mean, generally the people who think the failure of their team is totally never at all their fault, just the rest of the team's, but I never stop playing entirely. One, because I don't want to give into asshole-ish behavior, and two, because there are some really nice people on the game and they make up for it. I'll never forget the one time I was on the Mantrain and someone randomly gifted me the Security Shades I was searching for.
>> No. 12659
>>12657
I need to rewrite this, because I hate how it initially came out, I apologize.

I am usually a very quiet person, so you will rarely find me on chat and almost never on mic unless I am very close to everyone on the server. Some of my friends know I am female and some don't.

In some servers women talk on mic and it is never commented upon. She is just another player like everyone else. If I hear anyone making sexist jokes about other players, though, or calling players "bitch" or saying "eat my cum, eat my cock", I mute them and then quietly report them. I don't understand why anyone cares what gender or race a person is, only how good and how cooperative they are in-game, or how nice of a person they are.

If people are being douchebags I leave for a couple hours, but I never leave the game entirely because not everyone is bad, there's enough good to outweigh the bad.
>> No. 12749
So hey, I just got outta a game and felt the need to post a lil bit. Valve servers truly do harbour the angriest of people sometimes, whether its so much as a sentry in a good spot or a kill away from a domination, sometimes this damn community just gets mah goat.
>> No. 12768
>>12749
I feel the same right here. Valve DID say that TF2 was going to be an ongoing project. TF2 shows a whole new apporach when it comes to FPS games.
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