To be honest, I'm kind of glad there are more new people coming in. See, I suck at TF2 (and all video games except The Sims, for that matter), and for once, there are people playing with me that suck more than I do.

It's kind of a good feeling.

>>6658
My thoughts exactly.

>>6650
This so much.

There really is no difference in the gameplay. Granted we're bound to have at least one person on the team who doesn't know what's going on, but this was expected.
The only real difference is that every server is turning into some sort of witch hunt and everyone is trying to figure out who the newbies are so they can move onto the other team and gang up on them.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is.
We've had to put up with huge update waves like FaN Scouts and Mini-sentry Engineers before.
And just like before, this huge influx of new players is bound to settle in two weeks.

But yeah. That's my take. Bitching about people bitching.
The only beef I have with the update is the crafting page and coaching, but I'm hoping this will get a change.

>>6658

This, I used to go on all the time and I'd usually see the mantrain server empty.
With this update I'm beginning to see a lot more people. It's nice. I even introduced my one friend to the game and most of the time he was nervous that he would get bitched at or something.

I think most of the sour grapes are over the fact that some people paid for the game, though. They're just taking it out on new, free players.

What does BR stand for?

>>6667
brazil

br? is a brazillian asking if there are any other brazilians on a server

>>6660
Agreed with this, yeah. I had to listen to some guy complain on a server how 'everyone here is a fucking noob!', this went on for 10 minutes.
We were all new some time ago, and maybe still are new - Everyone starts there and to think otherwise kinda seems arrogant, because you're wanting to have a team of pro's on your team so that you can win; Rather than have fun.

I had to laugh at the noob-haters today. Essentially the conversation went like this:

Premium guy: These noobs suck, fuck you freeplay faggots, I'm owning your ass, etc.
Freeplay guy: Get over yourself, premium guy, I just made you my bitch, cocksucker, I am 12 and what is this, etc.
Some other player: Guys, guys! You're both terrible, now shut up.

Biggest fucking grin on my face.

>>6671
>implying fun isn't winning

I only learned on that way.

>>6685
If you can only learn by winning, then you're missing a major life skill. Learning from your mistakes is, like, how the world works and is why experience is said to be the best teacher.

If you can only have fun if you're winning, you're a spoiled baby who probably isn't much fun for other people to be around.

"Focus on having fun, rather than just on winning" is not the same statement as "if you're winning you aren't having fun," and it is a good thing to keep in mind through all of your life, not just in the vidya.

>>6687
I'm glad someone can word it better than me.

>>6687
I learn more from losing than I ever did from winning. Hell, whenever I play as Pyro, I deliberately kamikaze myself in order to keep my team safe. I'll run into the intel room or wherever first, backburner a-blazing, and then report back where the sentries are, who's guarding, etc. Then we can coordinate and strike.
I die twice as much as anyone else on my team, but a lot of the time, we wouldn't get very far without my deaths.
Also, I once knocked a Sniper off a cliff with my ragdoll. Didn't even know that could happen. even in death, I am useful.

>>6700
Awesome use of corpse-as-weapon.

Glad I'm not the only kamikaze Pyro around. I'm usually pretty low on the list, but I don't care if my score's high, just that we got those filthy BLUs off the cart.

Newbie's will learn or they won't and they'll leave. I still don't get why some people are grumpy for buying it, unless they bought it, like, a month ago or something. A lot of us have been playing for a year or more. Seems like being mad that you paid to get a movie ticket when a few months later it came out on DVD and you could rent it from the library for free.

>>6711
And if they DID buy it like a month ago... it's $10.00, get over it. But yeah, I bought it shortly before the mac update and I have long since gotten more than my money's worth in fun. I paid so much more for portal 2 but I seriously doubt I'll be playing it half as much as I've played tf2.

Also, on the topic of winning... I really think the best thing about tf2 is that I don't give a shit about winning. There's no reward for winning, real or virtual, so I've got no reason to get pissed. (unlike certain minigames in runescape... ugh) I'm just in it to have fun and talk to people, and whether I win or lose I get to do both. :D

>>6712
... I mean, that's not to say I won't TRY to win. I just don't care if I fail.

>>6700

Not wanting to take anything away from your general point mate, but that couldn't have happened. The Sniper probably took an inadvertent step back after you flew through him, or got shot at the same time.

>>6722
All I know is what I saw happen. BLU Demo ka-blewy'd me, I went flying through the air, and BLU Sniper, despite the fact that he was a good 3 feet from the edge, at least, and not moving, went with me off the edge of Upward. I died from being blown up, he fell to a clumsy, painful death.
Don't know if it was a glitch, or whatever, but it was still fucking funny.

>>6700
>>6711
>>6724
>Awesome use of corpse-as-weapon.

Sometimes I think some of you don't even play the game and just lie about it.

Ragdolls in TF2 noclip through everything but the environment. The BLU Sniper probably just walked off the edge and died. It happens.

Nowadays I can only have fun playing with bots. I've run into far too many assholes on servers who scream at me for not being good enough/being too good or playing too seriously/not playing seriously enough or switching classes/not switching classes and aoisjdfa every little thing I do is WRONG no matter what, so fuck it.

>>6726
It's entirely possible he just happened to run off the cliff at the same time (maybe he saw my corpse coming towards him and tried to dodge. I dunno.), but I swear, you really would have thought I'd knocked him off the cliff with my ragdoll. The timing must have been just that effing perfect.

>>6726

Or we could, y'know, just be having fun. I don't mind fish-stories about this one time, at 2Fort...

This game is derpy fun. The idea of somehow smacking an enemy with a corpse is hilarious. And honestly, I've seen weirder bugs.

Sometimes I think people just like to be snotty.

>>6726
You need to play on some better servers.
Mantrain(of course), Dr. Insano's Lab, 88 Miles Per Hour, Gibbedgaming... those are servers I've got that are generally pretty chill.

Also the joe.to server. it's friendly fire and the people are really nice

Eh, I don't see what the big deal is. t's going to cool down after two-three weeks, learned that from the Engie update (maybe longer, since it's summer).
I'm not complaining about the fact that I had to pay for this game, because it was worth it. Hell, I'm glad that I've managed to play a lot of the vanilla edition, without all these additional hats, doves and weapons from other games. It's still a lot of fun, you just need to find the right people to play it with.

What Im worried about is that it's never going to cool down, like you're all trying to say. Its free to play, forever. There's going to be a a steady, huge influx of newbies (helped in part by some newbies stopping playing for a while out of boredom and randomly coming back, still sucking) and it's not going to stop.

Not to mention, the server I tend to hang out on has been completely full to a point that the other regulars and myself can't even get in anymore. The admin's working on getting it set up so that it kicks F2P folks in favor of premiums, since its been so bad even he couldnt get it (the server used to pride itself on not kicking for admins).

The only real problem I see with TF2 going F2P is that the number of players has drastically increased in a very short time, while the number of available servers is still more or less the same.

>>6809
There are plenty of servers that weren't being played on much before now. .. like valve servers. I'm pretty sure almost nobody played on them until the update.

>>6806
Because people playing the game rather than letting it die entirely is such a terrible thing.

>>6806
>newbies stopping playing for a while out of boredom and randomly coming back, still sucking

That's been happening long before F2P. I know it's a crazy concept, but some people don't consistently play the game every week and they might lose interest in it for a while, myself included. Only difference now is that there's going to be more people like that, but I honestly think that once the excitement has passed, things should calm down.

Quite a few of my friends got F2P TF2, and they only played it the one time after they downloaded it.

Guys, even people who paid for the game can still really really suck at it (myself included). Newbs are everywhere; this is just a wave of them.

What I think would be helpful is if servers could be rated by the skill level of the regular players. Like, I find myself accidentally going into a server full of dead serious pros and getting my ass handed too me. If we could assign servers labels such as "Easy" or "Advanced" and such, it would probably weed out a lot of newbies along with the non-serious players. It just seems like it's too hard to find players of equal skill to yours and I feel like something like this would help.

/end suggestion rant

>>6825
I agree fullheartedly.

>>6825
Oh hell yes, THIS. I get fucking RAPED by their skill levels every time I go on those kind of servers. I'd love to play with more people who are as awful as me.

>>6825
THIS SO MUCH. I would so much prefer to have the option to derp around with other people who suck people around my skill level.

>>6821
And not letting people who actually support the game play in favor of freebers is such a good thing.

There's one problem with this; Generally, people on the internet have high opinions of themselves. So the newbie who just joined will think "I'm good at CoD and Halo, I'll go to an Advanced Server" and have his ass handed to him because he doesn't know what an Ubercharge is.

>>6851
Well, that's his fault then, he was fairly warned when he chose that server.

PREMIUM MASTER RACE

>>6863
This brings us to another problem, though. What's to stop an experienced douchebag player from going into one of the newbie servers and kicking their asses?

>>6885
Kicked? That'd take constant watch from the Admins, though, and no one wants to baby-sit...

>>6830
Oh so F2P people obviously won't ever want to buy things from the Mann Co store or refer their friends to the game who would have the possibility of buying things?

>>6825
True fax, yo.

I'm still the guy that'll run straight toward a someone while getting shot at, then die and laugh for the next five minutes and giggle-snort for the following ten. It makes it exciting and damn, if people get serious about TF2, they're missing the entire point of the game.

But seriously, that is a really great idea.

>>6885
NOTHING WILL STOP THEM. I can't imagine it as anything other than funny.

>>6894
Im not saying that. What Im saying is that there are people who have yet to buy anything (and likely wont for a long time) eating up spots in servers that people who are regulars on those particular servers (and just premium people in general) could be using.

I paid money for this game, and I want to play what I payed for. I dont want to have to wait for some person playing for free to log out so I can play on a server with my friends (who also paid for the game).

>>6898
Anon, you can either be mad or just check out another server. If you need recommednations, I have plenty. Really, man, chill out. It's not as much of a problem as you appear to think it is.

>>6898
What Perry said... also, see if you can get a reserve slot on your server next time you can join it, as well as your friends. That's kind of what reserve slots are for.

Also, when did you buy tf2? I bought it last year and I can safely say I've gotten more than my money's worth of fun out of it. I paid way more for portal 2 than I did for tf2 and I doubt I'll be playing it half as much as I have tf2. If you bought it more recently..... it was $10.00. Get over it.

I can't tell the difference between regular assholes and kids who have a free copy of the game and think they're hot shit anyways. Doesn't change anything. But anyone who's new and legitimately wants to learn to play, I welcome them with open arms.

Like Kritzkast said, there's a difference between newbie and noob.

im honest, i downloaded TF2 for free because i was quite unsure if would appeal to me. i was acutally planning on buying it at the beginning of july (due to lack of money...) but then i got F2P.
im neither a kid nor completely noobish to such games but i feel kinda unfortable while playing online. you got labelled as N00B really quick when you make mistakes or reveal that you play for 4 days now

>>7026
Anon, don't take it to heart. Some people are just assholes either way.

Come play on the mantrain, or the caboose. We're a cool bunch of people, and there'll likely always be someone around willing to show you the ropes - just ask in the CJ. We don't bite, honest :)

>>7027
What Apple said. For example, if you're interested in playing Soldier or Heavy, I could show you the basics and practice a bit with you. And if you just want to have a good time, come to the Mantrain. We don't care about skill levels, we just have fun. Come to the Circlejerk chat and ask for the password there.

Enjoy your time in TF2, anon.

Anon here again.
thank you kindly Applecup and PerryJ for your nice words. i guess i will try out the Maintrain tonight, hoping for having fun and such.

Maybe I'm a bit of a dick for my thinking but I wholeheartedly welcome the massive influx of new players, simply because playing on alltalk servers with a bunch of new players bragging about their skills over other new players makes me feel ecstatic as I mow them all down with my ninja heavy skills and get 6-8 dominations on a team of 12. I do tend to give advice to anyone who asks for it, but for the most part I've noticed people raging at me, targeting me directly, switching to teams of almost all Snipers and Spies, and other assorted hate.

It feels good to be hated for being too good.

On the bright side, I get to help my own team of misfits to glourious victories, and last time I played even had three medics all healing me at once, earning achievements and weapons off of my minigunning. People end up switching from one team to the other just to play on my side.

It feels good to feel like I'm idolized, if only for a short time.

The moral here: If you're good at the game, you're guaranteed to make half the players unhappy and the other players happy. If you don't mind being a bit of a traitor, your team is being wiped out because the other team has some pro-skills player on it, and you're not enjoying the game, switch sides. At worst, you'll get autobalanced or someone will yell at you, but you'll be having more fun overall. A controversial opinion, I know, but it's what I used to do when I was new to the game.

What bums me out most is that I've owned the game for 2 years, but only a month or so ago got access to a computer that can run it. Then I go watch Meet the Medic; "oh TF2 is F2P now?" As I play I'm afraid that any moment someone's gonna start bitching at me about being a F2P noob while I'm really just a regular TF2 noob. So yeah, I don't care that I paid for the game, nor I care about the other new players, I just personally don't want to receive the hating that seems to be directed at free-to-players.

But so far no-one's said anything, I don't know if the servers are just full of scared noobs or people who actually don't give a shit if you're new or not. I hope it's a mix of both. But it's been really, really nice so far. :)