Dota 2, I'm betting money.

It was announced officially at the end of the Meet the Medic video.

Shit.

Hey, why not, when they can make all their money back in the Store?

This is a bad thing? I mean doesn't this mean my broke friends can play with me now?

I DONT LIKE THIS
CHILDREN
ALL OVER MY SERVERS

CHILDREN EVERYWHERE
FAGS EVERYWHERE
PYROS EVERYWHERE

.... so will we be getting something for buying the game originally?

>>6311
eh they'll get bored with it and leave though. Besides, there's already plenty of those!

My main concern is ten times more griefing and people making extra accounts to idle. The latter already happens, but at least they had to dish out money for it.

>>6312
They'll give us a special hat

I don't care about "children" playing. I think it's great everyone can play now.

My concern is, does this mean they'll slowly stop updating/supporting the game? Or are they actually making that much money through the store that they can afford to do this?

Someone can just buy some shit for 49 cents out of the store and get a premium account. Valve is retarded.

In this link, you will witness that hell has frozen over...

http://www.teamfortress.com/freetoplay/

So is the Mantrain going to be passworded forever now?

Please say it is.

The game is several years old, so it doesn't really surprise me.

As long as the items in the store aren't free, I'm happy. I want the chance to have Valve fund my existence if my items ever get accepted into the game. Having them be free would ruin that.

I'm going to kill someone.

For everyone talking about the legion of idlers, it won't happen because free accounts won't be able to trade. Or store more than 50 items apparently.

>>6378
That's good to know.

Now that I'm past the initial 'OH GOD WHY' stage, this doesn't seem that bad. Now my friends don't have any excuse not to get the game and derp around with me on a server.

Gee whiz a game that's several years old with a smallish fan community compared to most other games and franchises is gonna get an influx of new blood to help keep it all alive for a few more years, how terrible.

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with this. More people to play with, a fandom that gets a good shot in the arm with new blood to keep it truckin' along even longer, and free accounts have limited options like no trading to keep things under control. It's not like Valve's suddenly about to lighten up on hackers or idiots, either.

Just sit back, relax, and point your non-TF2-owning friends towards it.

I agree. I'm all down for TF2 being free. Now my friends have NO EXCUSE not to play it. I'm glad I paved the way for other people who might not have been able to get it otherwise.

Yeah, sometimes I'm like a little, "Oh, darn. Wish I hadn't have gotten the game before just now," but it was only, like... twenty bucks? And well worth that!

Nope. I'm fine with this.

>>6394
I'm pretty excited, too. I posted about it on my Facebook, so my friends could see. They couldn't afford the game back when it cost money to even play it, but since it's free to play, they can play with me, now. I'm excited :D

>>6402

... You sure you didn't read my mind when writing this?

Seriously guys, the more the merrier. Don't be so negative and just have fun with your friends!

>>6409

My thoughts exactly. I paid ten bucks for my copy (not even that, since it was in Best Buy points after getting a new computer). Oh shucks oh darn.

Now my friends who've wanted to give it a shot without dropping the cash have an excuse. Take that, Dynasty Warriors.

One hand, it kinda twinges me I bought this game.
On the other hand, TF2 was cheap and it's cool that lots of other people will experience how great it is.

Apparently f2p players will only get 50 spots in their backpack and can't trade. That's what I've heard. They can choose to pay for the game to get all benefits however.

http://teamfortress.com/freetoplay/faq.php

>>6430
Can't craft either.

I think free players should be barred from playing Sniper and Spy so we don't have 5 snipers and 6 spies each team.

Q. Won’t going Free to Play mean more griefers and cheaters?
A. We’re increasing our focus on making sure that hostile players can’t ruin your fun. Specifically, we’ll be keeping a close eye on players exploiting the ability to make infinite free accounts to bypass bans. We’ve built systems that’ll allow us to measure and track what these players are doing, and respond quickly.


Were it any company but Valve, I'd be worried. I really would.

Have faith in the Gabe, guys.

Well, it makes sense. The game is so old that Valve are likely making more money with hat sales, not game sales.

As long as there won't be more hacker shit, I'm good with this. Friends who haven't checked the game out yet will now! Whee!

>>6441

Yeah, they've basically come right out and confirmed that.

>Walker says that Valve had been exploring the idea since September 2010. “We’ve been toying with the idea of making Team Fortress free-to-play ever since the Mann-conomy update,” Walker said. “The data we got back from that update leads us to believe that TF2 would be more successful as a completely free product.”

TF2'll be be supported completely by Mann Store purchases from now on.

>>6462
Will everything get more expensive from now on, you think?

I'm really surprised that there's this many people worried about hackers, the game is VAC-secured, so they will be pleasantly perma-banned. I'm also not worried about children playing either, they are just more fodder for my shotgun, and there is a mute button if they feel like dribble-drabbling.

Making TF2 free-to-play is a generous move by Valve, and it's a strong marketing move. They make more than enough money with the Mann Co. store, so why not make the game free? The influx of new blood will keep the game going strong, and it will increase the Mann. Co store sales, allowing TF2 to be self-sustainable.

RIP the TF2 playerbase

2004-2011

>>6306
>>6311
YOU FORGOT SOMETHING

>>6473

>Full Clinical Trial kit - £30. Half price!
>Most crafting recipes for new items now involve Refined Metal

What do you think?

Damn, my main computer crashed a couple of weeks ago. And I don't remember the mail I used to create the account which I had.
>feelsbadman.png

>>6504
You'll probably be seeing this a lot, valve broke the game se we BR can't even find our own servers anymore, without using filters.

The fucking stupid new game option picks any server instead of using the ping to make the user join a good one too, apparently..

>>6500
The Tf2 playerbase in general was already packed with idiots. Though with the play now option I am wondering about the effects it'll have on individual server communities... though I've heard it only picks valve servers.

Also, the noobs will get better just like we did. We all sucked when we started playing.

>>6534
Yeah. I think the first week or so will be the worst of it, then as the huge influx of new players get better, it'll even out considerably.

Why is everyone raging over this? Valve will keep shit under control, and now I'll actually be able to get some of my friends playing this game.

If any of you could't previously afford this game you'd be shitting in your pants. Don't you think were being a bit selfish? I'm am so happy with everything Valve has done.

My main gripe is the crafting page.
very very cluttered and confusing.
why can't they have kept the inventory grid?

>>6544
This so much. The new layout is confusing and everytime I have to check my inventory because I always forget what's in there.
I don't really care about the other changes.

>>6545
they should have an option to sort your backpack based on the amount of same weaps you have. (i.e.: 4 kritzkriegs, 3 sandmans, 3 equalizers, etc)
would be so much less work for when I want to smelt class weaps for scrap metal

>>6342
Its password protected now? Since when?
Im not a huge part of the TF2Chan community or anything, but I liked playing on the server since the people seemed pretty chill.
So, what? Now I can't?

>>6560

The only way you can't get on the password protected Mantrain is if you can't get on steam or the IRC to talk to a mod to get it.

>>6524
>they cant find the browse server button

seriously, its right there under the play button

>>6560
if you're too much of a pussy to just ASK, then yeah, probably

The game wasn't expensive to begin with. Plus, they actually sold it for a couple of bucks several times. If you couldn't afford it then, then what the hell?

Smart business move, though.

>>6436
And no f2p Pyros. That'd be a dream come true.

>>6534
Been playing for a while and I still suck. Gets some hilarious results, though.

DICKS EVERYWHERE

I don't regret paying for this game. EVER.

>>6504
>>6612

Could we dispel the BR myth thing (or as they are known in my part of the world, Russians)? The reason why such unsavoury characters are associated with F2P games is because usually such games don't have the wherewithall to set up many servers in their part of the world- so they tend to overflow into American/EU servers. TF2 does not have this problem and it is unlikely to be any more of an issue than it is currently.

>>6612
I lol'd.

But yeah, I played yesterday and it wasn't any different from the usual. My friend got the free version and managed to backstab me multiple times. I don't know if he's just naturally good at Spy or if I'm just that bad, lol.

Why are you guys bitching god damn. Just because someone gets this game for free doesn't mean they are instantly shit at it. I'm glad it's free now I finally can play whereas before I couldn't afford it.

This game was old with few players aren't you glad we're getting new people? Or are you really a bunch of hipsters who are just going to cry about how you liked the game before so and so like you do after every update.

>>6625
i've actually got something to complain about now.

the update broke the server browser for Australians. look for servers with all the criteria open and the lowest ping you'll get is over 200

history works fine, so i guess i'm shit out of luck if i want a different rotation

>>6625
>This game was old with few players aren't you glad we're getting new people?
>few players

Haha, no.

>>6616

No, but only because it's funny.

It's not like there weren't 4channers and 13 year olds in the first place.

I like to make new friends, that's just me.

To be honest, I'm kind of glad there are more new people coming in. See, I suck at TF2 (and all video games except The Sims, for that matter), and for once, there are people playing with me that suck more than I do.

It's kind of a good feeling.

>>6658
My thoughts exactly.

>>6650
This so much.

There really is no difference in the gameplay. Granted we're bound to have at least one person on the team who doesn't know what's going on, but this was expected.
The only real difference is that every server is turning into some sort of witch hunt and everyone is trying to figure out who the newbies are so they can move onto the other team and gang up on them.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is.
We've had to put up with huge update waves like FaN Scouts and Mini-sentry Engineers before.
And just like before, this huge influx of new players is bound to settle in two weeks.

But yeah. That's my take. Bitching about people bitching.
The only beef I have with the update is the crafting page and coaching, but I'm hoping this will get a change.

>>6658

This, I used to go on all the time and I'd usually see the mantrain server empty.
With this update I'm beginning to see a lot more people. It's nice. I even introduced my one friend to the game and most of the time he was nervous that he would get bitched at or something.

I think most of the sour grapes are over the fact that some people paid for the game, though. They're just taking it out on new, free players.

What does BR stand for?

>>6667
brazil

br? is a brazillian asking if there are any other brazilians on a server

>>6660
Agreed with this, yeah. I had to listen to some guy complain on a server how 'everyone here is a fucking noob!', this went on for 10 minutes.
We were all new some time ago, and maybe still are new - Everyone starts there and to think otherwise kinda seems arrogant, because you're wanting to have a team of pro's on your team so that you can win; Rather than have fun.

I had to laugh at the noob-haters today. Essentially the conversation went like this:

Premium guy: These noobs suck, fuck you freeplay faggots, I'm owning your ass, etc.
Freeplay guy: Get over yourself, premium guy, I just made you my bitch, cocksucker, I am 12 and what is this, etc.
Some other player: Guys, guys! You're both terrible, now shut up.

Biggest fucking grin on my face.

>>6671
>implying fun isn't winning

I only learned on that way.

>>6685
If you can only learn by winning, then you're missing a major life skill. Learning from your mistakes is, like, how the world works and is why experience is said to be the best teacher.

If you can only have fun if you're winning, you're a spoiled baby who probably isn't much fun for other people to be around.

"Focus on having fun, rather than just on winning" is not the same statement as "if you're winning you aren't having fun," and it is a good thing to keep in mind through all of your life, not just in the vidya.

>>6687
I'm glad someone can word it better than me.

>>6687
I learn more from losing than I ever did from winning. Hell, whenever I play as Pyro, I deliberately kamikaze myself in order to keep my team safe. I'll run into the intel room or wherever first, backburner a-blazing, and then report back where the sentries are, who's guarding, etc. Then we can coordinate and strike.
I die twice as much as anyone else on my team, but a lot of the time, we wouldn't get very far without my deaths.
Also, I once knocked a Sniper off a cliff with my ragdoll. Didn't even know that could happen. even in death, I am useful.

>>6700
Awesome use of corpse-as-weapon.

Glad I'm not the only kamikaze Pyro around. I'm usually pretty low on the list, but I don't care if my score's high, just that we got those filthy BLUs off the cart.

Newbie's will learn or they won't and they'll leave. I still don't get why some people are grumpy for buying it, unless they bought it, like, a month ago or something. A lot of us have been playing for a year or more. Seems like being mad that you paid to get a movie ticket when a few months later it came out on DVD and you could rent it from the library for free.

>>6711
And if they DID buy it like a month ago... it's $10.00, get over it. But yeah, I bought it shortly before the mac update and I have long since gotten more than my money's worth in fun. I paid so much more for portal 2 but I seriously doubt I'll be playing it half as much as I've played tf2.

Also, on the topic of winning... I really think the best thing about tf2 is that I don't give a shit about winning. There's no reward for winning, real or virtual, so I've got no reason to get pissed. (unlike certain minigames in runescape... ugh) I'm just in it to have fun and talk to people, and whether I win or lose I get to do both. :D

>>6712
... I mean, that's not to say I won't TRY to win. I just don't care if I fail.

>>6700

Not wanting to take anything away from your general point mate, but that couldn't have happened. The Sniper probably took an inadvertent step back after you flew through him, or got shot at the same time.

>>6722
All I know is what I saw happen. BLU Demo ka-blewy'd me, I went flying through the air, and BLU Sniper, despite the fact that he was a good 3 feet from the edge, at least, and not moving, went with me off the edge of Upward. I died from being blown up, he fell to a clumsy, painful death.
Don't know if it was a glitch, or whatever, but it was still fucking funny.

>>6700
>>6711
>>6724
>Awesome use of corpse-as-weapon.

Sometimes I think some of you don't even play the game and just lie about it.

Ragdolls in TF2 noclip through everything but the environment. The BLU Sniper probably just walked off the edge and died. It happens.

Nowadays I can only have fun playing with bots. I've run into far too many assholes on servers who scream at me for not being good enough/being too good or playing too seriously/not playing seriously enough or switching classes/not switching classes and aoisjdfa every little thing I do is WRONG no matter what, so fuck it.

>>6726
It's entirely possible he just happened to run off the cliff at the same time (maybe he saw my corpse coming towards him and tried to dodge. I dunno.), but I swear, you really would have thought I'd knocked him off the cliff with my ragdoll. The timing must have been just that effing perfect.

>>6726

Or we could, y'know, just be having fun. I don't mind fish-stories about this one time, at 2Fort...

This game is derpy fun. The idea of somehow smacking an enemy with a corpse is hilarious. And honestly, I've seen weirder bugs.

Sometimes I think people just like to be snotty.

>>6726
You need to play on some better servers.
Mantrain(of course), Dr. Insano's Lab, 88 Miles Per Hour, Gibbedgaming... those are servers I've got that are generally pretty chill.

Also the joe.to server. it's friendly fire and the people are really nice

Eh, I don't see what the big deal is. t's going to cool down after two-three weeks, learned that from the Engie update (maybe longer, since it's summer).
I'm not complaining about the fact that I had to pay for this game, because it was worth it. Hell, I'm glad that I've managed to play a lot of the vanilla edition, without all these additional hats, doves and weapons from other games. It's still a lot of fun, you just need to find the right people to play it with.

What Im worried about is that it's never going to cool down, like you're all trying to say. Its free to play, forever. There's going to be a a steady, huge influx of newbies (helped in part by some newbies stopping playing for a while out of boredom and randomly coming back, still sucking) and it's not going to stop.

Not to mention, the server I tend to hang out on has been completely full to a point that the other regulars and myself can't even get in anymore. The admin's working on getting it set up so that it kicks F2P folks in favor of premiums, since its been so bad even he couldnt get it (the server used to pride itself on not kicking for admins).

The only real problem I see with TF2 going F2P is that the number of players has drastically increased in a very short time, while the number of available servers is still more or less the same.

>>6809
There are plenty of servers that weren't being played on much before now. .. like valve servers. I'm pretty sure almost nobody played on them until the update.

>>6806
Because people playing the game rather than letting it die entirely is such a terrible thing.

>>6806
>newbies stopping playing for a while out of boredom and randomly coming back, still sucking

That's been happening long before F2P. I know it's a crazy concept, but some people don't consistently play the game every week and they might lose interest in it for a while, myself included. Only difference now is that there's going to be more people like that, but I honestly think that once the excitement has passed, things should calm down.

Quite a few of my friends got F2P TF2, and they only played it the one time after they downloaded it.

Guys, even people who paid for the game can still really really suck at it (myself included). Newbs are everywhere; this is just a wave of them.

What I think would be helpful is if servers could be rated by the skill level of the regular players. Like, I find myself accidentally going into a server full of dead serious pros and getting my ass handed too me. If we could assign servers labels such as "Easy" or "Advanced" and such, it would probably weed out a lot of newbies along with the non-serious players. It just seems like it's too hard to find players of equal skill to yours and I feel like something like this would help.

/end suggestion rant

>>6825
I agree fullheartedly.

>>6825
Oh hell yes, THIS. I get fucking RAPED by their skill levels every time I go on those kind of servers. I'd love to play with more people who are as awful as me.

>>6825
THIS SO MUCH. I would so much prefer to have the option to derp around with other people who suck people around my skill level.

>>6821
And not letting people who actually support the game play in favor of freebers is such a good thing.

There's one problem with this; Generally, people on the internet have high opinions of themselves. So the newbie who just joined will think "I'm good at CoD and Halo, I'll go to an Advanced Server" and have his ass handed to him because he doesn't know what an Ubercharge is.

>>6851
Well, that's his fault then, he was fairly warned when he chose that server.

PREMIUM MASTER RACE

>>6863
This brings us to another problem, though. What's to stop an experienced douchebag player from going into one of the newbie servers and kicking their asses?

>>6885
Kicked? That'd take constant watch from the Admins, though, and no one wants to baby-sit...

>>6830
Oh so F2P people obviously won't ever want to buy things from the Mann Co store or refer their friends to the game who would have the possibility of buying things?

>>6825
True fax, yo.

I'm still the guy that'll run straight toward a someone while getting shot at, then die and laugh for the next five minutes and giggle-snort for the following ten. It makes it exciting and damn, if people get serious about TF2, they're missing the entire point of the game.

But seriously, that is a really great idea.

>>6885
NOTHING WILL STOP THEM. I can't imagine it as anything other than funny.

>>6894
Im not saying that. What Im saying is that there are people who have yet to buy anything (and likely wont for a long time) eating up spots in servers that people who are regulars on those particular servers (and just premium people in general) could be using.

I paid money for this game, and I want to play what I payed for. I dont want to have to wait for some person playing for free to log out so I can play on a server with my friends (who also paid for the game).

>>6898
Anon, you can either be mad or just check out another server. If you need recommednations, I have plenty. Really, man, chill out. It's not as much of a problem as you appear to think it is.