This is something I've mentioned before, but I figured I may as well post it here. Hopefully this won't get ignored.
It seems like the chan really went downhill after the workshop board was introduced. Before that, everyone got the same amount of hilarious, brutal criticism for their art because it was all in the same place and there was no metaphorical short bus. People who had terrible art were ripped to shreds and given a decent amount of criticism, while the 'good' artists were also given criticism when needed. That was what I used to like about this place. There was no hugbox, and the boards were way more active. Less whining was had and everyone had more stupid fun. It wouldn't be so terrible if people weren't forcibly thrown in there.
Will the mods ever consider getting rid of the awful hugbox that is /workshop/? What are your opinions on this?
Workshop is hardly ever used in my opinion. This topic was approched earlier by some of the mods and it was suggested that there should be stickied threads at the top of the drawing boards for critique. I havent been here long but from what I've seen, people arn't too afraid to critique on or off /workshop/ in /fanart/ or other.
I certainly wouldn't be opposed to scrapping it.
It's barely used and nobody really seems to look at it much.
If /workshop is destroying the brutality of the chan, then how is it that /workshop is the only place on where terrible artists get criticism?
why arent people just being brutal on worksh-
dont scrap it, just rename it /bootcamp/
WHAT IS THIS SAUSAGE LIMB HORSESHIT, MAGGOT
Joke answer: Haha, /workshop got created because 'chan couldn't stand looking at my terrible drawrings. Jokes on you!
Serious answer: Having had my 'art' exiled to /workshop was the kick in the pants I needed. It's great for improvement, if we could get people to, y'know, give crit there.
I just came across this on Tumblr:
"and i’ve just been feeling kind of generally paranoid and self-conscious about my work, i just have this feeling of failure and tingly fingers and i’m just constantly terrified that i’m going to come across someone i respect making fun of something i wrote or just people in general thinking it sucks and i mean smoke wisps sucks to begin with it almost makes me want to take it down
like i’m always so terrified when people make the slightest negative comment that could be somehow connected to it and fucking duckcjdklfkdslfk
and then like i don’t even want to finish the sudden death experiment because while i enjoy writing it and toying with ideas it’s almost like the fandom discourages me
like i’m afraid that no matter what i write it’s just not going to be good enough and i’ll end up offending someone or just writing something terrible and i just
i’m just this huge ball of self-consciousness and anxiety and this fandom is just not doing anything to help it"
Think about the real-world consequences of your actions.
Do you think you're helping this writer by being "brutal"? Does it seem like you're helping him or her improve? Think about the very real anxiety problems you're causing this individual, and don't hide behind the idea that you're helping would-be creatives with your cruelty.
Look, if people don't want to get critiqued, they should just run back to their little corner of the internet where they don't have to and aren't expected to improve. It really is surprising that I was more receptive to crit when I was fucking ELEVEN than I see a lot of grown-assed people being today.
She even said it herself that you don't even HAVE to be brutal to hurt her wittle feelings:
>like i’m always so terrified when people make the slightest negative comment that could be somehow connected to it and fucking duckcjdklfkdslfk
I'm sorry, but I take writing VERY seriously, and someone who can put enough effort into it to make a fic, but not enough to improve when someone points something out (mean spirited or no. If you've got a point, you've got a point), it's just... I can't.
Get out of here, seriously. I've got no patience. NONE.
tbqh if you have major anxiety issues such that you cannot handle any critique then very frankly it is a personal problem which you need to handle either by learning to get past it OR by learning to not read critique OR by just never posting anything where other people might see it (option 1 is most difficult but will be most helpful to you in life in general) hth
cant make other people 100% responsible for your reactions to things
some reactions to some things are reasonable and some reactions aren't reasonable and welp
getting "terrified" about "the slightest negative comment that could be somehow connected to it" note the COULD BE SOMEHOW it apparently doesn't even need to ACTUALLY BE ABOUT THE THING, well, that's not really a reasonable reaction and at that point it is not the other person's responsibility to watch after your unreasonable responses to things
if a person is that upset about getting crit then, when given crit and expressing that they're that upset about it, it would be Nice and Kind for the person giving the crit to accept this and stop giving that one person crit
it is not reasonable to expect All The People Forever to Not Give Crit because One Person Gets Unreasonably Upset About It
I remember that post. Responses from Tumblr:
1. "Ok this. This is what upsets me to see.
We all love this game. We all love the characters, some more than others. Why should anyone be afraid to draw or contribute to this brilliant fandom just because of a few people who nitpick and make everyone else very uncomfortable? I used to care, but after whats just happened, I have proof enough that theres no point in wasting your worries on these people. They won’t change their minds, there’s nothing you can do about it. just draw what you enjoy and share it with your friends.
this goes for any fandom. lighten up!! not everyone is going to agree with your sentiments but don’t hate people for it." -- Owly Medics
2. “Draw what you enjoy and share it with your friends.”
YES. fuck you tf2chan or whatever the fuck and your shitty method of “being a prick to make you get better at drawing gay porn of videogame characters high ass quality critique”. Crit and improvement is GOOD and IMPORTANT. But you don’t beat a dog to train it to do good." -- bitchidelic
3. "Write it anyway.
Fuck da haters." -- Cat Bountry
Just food for thought.
I honestly don't see how that proves your point any. We're not saying you have to strip down naked and submit yourself to daily floggings by the fandom to be accepted. Yes, you should have the confidence to get out there and write, and no one's saying otherwise, but if you're going to break down into tears because I suggest "Hey, I like your Heavy alright, but could you not make him a big dumb ape?" then that's YOUR problem. You can chose to take my critique or ignore it, but anyone who says GUYS NO CRITIQUE OKAY IT MIGHT HURT SOMEONE'S -FEELINGS- should just grow up.
Also, I read some of the things the quoted artist has said in context, and I think you guys misrepresented her. That artist is not against critique - she(?) is against FANDOM BASHING (ie where people get upset that Medic is as flaming gay as he is in their headcanon), which is very unfortunate and inexcusable, but KIND OF HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. IN EVERY FANDOM.
Tf2Chan I think is very accepting about different headcanons because we realize Valve let a lot of things open on purpose. It's the reason why CatBounty (one of the most popular and talented fanfic writers we have to offer) can write RED Spy as being in a loving, romantic relationship with BLU Scootma, and I can write him as using her only for sex and information on her son, and we BOTH ARE ACCEPTED.
I mean, we're not a fan of dumb heavy because it's kind of CANON that he's not an idiot, but that's really about as far as it goes. And even then, everything is fair game for lulz.
I just. Your argument makes no sense. We're all for GOOD WRITING whether it adheres to popular fanons or not how could you compare our valuing honest, constructive feedback (as a general rule) as being childish fandom-bashing I can't.